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How do Vietnamese people view the Chinese?

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As a Chinese, I greatly admire the answers given by most Vietnamese friends under this topic.

From these responses, we can see that the Vietnamese people advocate calm and rational thinking, respect for history and facts, and face their thoughts honestly and humbly.

These thinking characteristics are very similar to those of the younger generation in China, which enables us to have a rational and comprehensive view of bilateral relations and not be easily kidnapped by politics and ideology. This gives us the ability to have stronger confidence and optimism in the development of our two countries and even the development of Asia.

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All the answers before cover a significant part of what Vietnamese think about China and why it is so.

I should clear up some stereotypes first:

Vietnamese hate Chinese because of Vietnamese propaganda.: NO, our propaganda and the ministry responsible for it suck ass. You can’t even type a statement on google without these guys showing up and take place of our supposed mainstream media : Vietnamese “Radio France Internationale” , Vietnamese “Radio of Free Asia”, Vietnamese “BBC”, Vietnamese “Voice of America”, Vietnamese “Epoch Times etc”. All set headquarters in foreign states, and focus on: anti-government news, anti-China news and praise towards the US and the EU. Their original counterparts will be shocked in comparison and Trump when encountering these guys will have to revise the definition of “fake news media”. All of these are all supposed “for the good of Vietnam” ( if the names don’t ring a bell). When fake news media is popular, you know the government sucks at propaganda. Our news try keep a neutral tone when it comes to China and every other country to adhere to VCP’s policies.

Vietnamese hate Chinese because of history: No, actually we hate China because of the attitude and narrative of many Chinese when discussing that history.

Vietnamese deeply admired China as a cultural hegemony and center of East Asia. We voraciously consume China’s cultural exports. Vietnamese and Chinese can agree in almost everything in real life except for history, politics and some others. We tend to say that Vietnamese know China better than anyone(except for Chinese of course) and generalize very quickly. The tone, however has significantly been more sympathetic in recent years. I personally think that is our strong ties that make Vietnamese becoming arrogant when it comes to China: We think “we know you best”. The grass is always greener on the other side, and in this case, we think China is “on our side”. The more and more Vietnamese are exposed to the world, the more we appreciate China.

Doesn’t mean we don’t hate you though. We still hate you!

“Giv our islands in East se bacc! China is evil empire!”

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We are sensitive on our sovereignty. We deeply value our culture and history. We may be far behind in economy, but we catch up quickly.

Anti-government people call our governments China’s puppet (like that Vietnamese American Banh Dau). Chinese nationalists call us West-boot lickers (which is endorsed by many Chinese VietnamAnswerns I considered rational, for example Feifei Wang).

Our general view towards China will greatly improve if some of these reasons in Beo Lai's answer to Why does Vietnam always seem to be suspicious of China's motives? here are resolved.

Best wishes.

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If you ask this question, you’ll get hundreds of answers. Because there isn’t one way that Vietnamese think about China.

To quote a Vietnamese professor about the role of China to Vietnam:

Với Việt Nam, Trung Quốc đồng thời là: người thầy vĩ đại, người bạn thân thiết và đối thủ nguy hiểm.

To Vietnam, China is simultaneously a great teacher, a close friend and a dangerous enemy.

Using this quote, you can see that Vietnamese feeling towards China can be summed up as: Respect, familiarity and fear.

The Vietnamese feeling towards China is a blend between these 3 states. Just as the traditional religion of Vietnamese people is a fluid blend of Buddhism, Confucianism and Taoism.

Can you identify exactly one feeling Vietnamese people have towards China?

No, because it’s not static, it’s actually a moving spectrum.

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“But many Vietnamese told me that they hate China!”

Yes there are Vietnamese who hate China permanently, but to most Vietnamese this is just a state of mind. The person can change their opinion towards China when a different event occurs. This has happened and is happening.

During the most tense period between China and Vietnam in 2014, when anti-China protests broke out all over Vietnam, the Chinese TV series The Empress of China (Võ Mỵ Nương Truyền Kỳ) also became a big craze.

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We demand China to pull out HD981 from Vietnamese sea

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Vietnamese cat following the trend of the TV series

The Three States of Mind that Vietnamese have towards China:

Viewing China as a great teacher - Respect

China is seen as a country with long history and great civilization

China influenced Vietnam a lot in terms of culture

China influenced Vietnamese literature, arts, beliefs, philosophy

China gives inspiration in economic and political development

In ancient time, Vietnam simply imitated a lot of things that China did

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An idiom that Vietnamese took from ancient Chinese - Teaching one character makes you a teacher, even teaching half a character also makes you a teacher

2. Viewing China as a close friend - Familiarity

China shares a culture with Vietnam

Vietnam interacted the most with China in history

Vietnamese feel close to Chinese people and culture because of history

China helped Vietnam in independence wars against France

If China didn’t warn the U.S to not send soldiers into Northern Vietnam, then Vietnam would never have won against the U.S and become a united country

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A display for Mid Autumn festival at Vincom. Traditional festivals in Vietnam are shared with Chinese culture

3. Viewing China as a dangerous enemy

China declared sovereignty over the South China Sea which contains islands that Vietnam considers a core part of its territory.

China invaded Vietnam in 1979. The Chinese president told Chinese people that China needed to “teach the naughty child a lesson”

Vietnamese history is basically a history of Chinese invasion, especially all Vietnamese remember the 1000 years of Northern domination (1000 năm Bắc Thuộc)

China is trying to use Cambodia and Laos to contain Vietnam

China is building dams in Laos which restricts water flow to Vietnam.

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Chinese guard ship used water cannons to attack Vietnamese ships in the South China Sea

Conclusion

The Vietnamese feeling about China is not static because of the many roles that China take, including both friendly and aggressive.

It is hard for people in other countries to understand because they don’t have a giant neighbor, who had simultaneously invaded, occupied and destroyed their country but also gave cultural, political inspiration and defended Vietnam in the past.

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I am going anonymous because I don't want to expose the history of my family

General Perspective

Vietnamese generally think Chinese people are thâm hiểm, which is a word that is hard to describe in English. It encompasses wittiness, cunningness, slyness, people with deep complicated thought, good vision, devious. It has both positive and negative connotations. When Vietnamese say the Chinese are so thâm hiểm, there is an element of fear and admiration intertwined.

My family perspective

My family has a complicated history with the Chinese. My grandfather was an orphan and was living a very hard life on the street when he was taken in by a Chinese family. If I remember correctly he did a favor for them, promised to sell some goods, sold everything he was given and handed all the money back. They were impressed by his honesty and adopted him. Because of this my family has high opinion of the Chinese. My grandfather often talks highly of the Chinese. A common thing he says is that Chinese people “trọng tình trọng nghĩa” which I don't really know how to translate to English. Basically if you are good to them, they will never forsaken you. He always defends the Chinese when other people talk bad about them. Sometimes to tease him we would all talk badly about the Chinese lol

Anyways my grandfather was given a good job within the family business. They also helped my grandfather find his mother who was very poor and had two other children with another man. Her husband was a drunkard who was very abusive and often beat her. They gave her money and helped her move away from the abusive husband. They also used their money and connection with the police to stop the husband from bothering her and send her two other children to school. Later on her two sons were accused of being Communists (this is in Republic of Vietnam, South Vietnam era) and were nearly tortured to death if not for them stepping in and used their money and connection to rescue them.

My grandfather always says we owe them a big debt. Which is why every year we visit their grave site and pay our respect on a traditional Chinese holiday called Thanh Minh. We also send gifts to their children who have since moved overseas after unification between North and South Vietnam.

And even though we are Vietnamese we mostly follow Chinese traditions because of my grandfather.

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Question: How do Vietnamese people view the Chinese?

Answer: I think that from my perspective, most of the Vietnamese have a positive view forward the Chinese. I said about the Chinese people, not the imperial ambition of the Chinese states. Of course, Each of the Vietnamese will have a different view about the Chinese people based on their knowledge, experience, and position.

Firstly , If the Vietnamese speak as their personal position, they have no reason or little reason to hate the Chinese people or the Chinese culture. It is partly why:

The Vietnamese have not discriminated against the Chinese-Vietnamese people.

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(Hoa ethnic in Vietnam)

The Vietnamese admire the Chinese culture and the Chinese people. Of course, in the past, they also learned and absorbed much the Chinese cultural values to enrich the Vietnamese culture. Today, the Chinese culture is not the cultural model for the Vietnamese, but the Vietnamese still respect much to the Chinese culture.

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(Paintings by Vietnamese, Chinese artists showcased in HCM City )

In general, the Chinese people are good at doing business, hard-working, and very close to the Vietnamese in most of everything from history, culture to philosophy, way of life..etc. I think that it is great for the Vietnamese to make friends with China.

Secondly , If the Vietnamese speak out as their national interests, they shall view China (I mean the Chinese states) as an aggressive and imperial country. Each of the Chinese Empires and regimes in the entire Chinese history has always invaded or sent their troops to occupy Vietnam at least once time. Let’s check around 1000 recent years:

Link: List of wars involving Vietnam - Wikipedia

In 938, the Chinese Southern Han kingdom invaded Vietnam

In 981, the Chinese Song Empire invaded Vietnam

In 1077–1078, the Chinese Song Empire also invaded Vietnam

In 1258, 1285, 1288, the Yuan Empire invaded Vietnam (If you regarded the Yuan Empire as Chinese Dynasty)

In 1407, the Chinese Ming Empire invaded Vietnam and even enslaved the Vietnamese for 20 years.

In 1788, the Chinese Qing Empire invaded Vietnam.

In 1945, the Chinese ROC (Taiwan) sent their troops to Vietnam to disarm the Japanese troops after ending the WW2 but has still occupied the Vietnamese islands - Itu Aba island.

In 1979, the Chinese CCP Empire invaded Vietnam during the short-blood war and still raided into the Vietnamese territories from 1979–1991.

Now: China and Taiwan still occupy many of the Vietnamese islands on the South China Sea and also threaten the maritime activities in the Vietnamese EEZ in accordance with the UNCLOS 1982.

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What do you think that How the Vietnamese should view China? From What I know that the Vietnamese only hope that China should let them alone, do not claim their territories and their waters in accordance with the UNCLOS 1982, and both countries should be friends of each other. However, I guess that the Chinese states will never abandon their greed with Vietnam which seemingly inherited from the Chinese ancestors.

In conclusion : the Vietnamese and the Chinese should be friends and all of the disputes between both countries also should be resolved through negotiation in bilateral and multilateral forums based on the International laws and general rules of our world. If not, the international court could be a good choice for both. However, I guess the Chinese government will not want to resolve the dispute with Vietnam through international laws because you know why!

Reading this article: Ask The Vietnamese About War, And They Think China, Not The U.S .

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(Pham Thi Ky (right) and her family pray at the grave of her brother-in-law, who was killed 36 years ago in the 1979 border war with China. Every year, the family goes to the cemetery on the anniversary of his death. Vietnam and China have been adversaries for centuries and the friction continues to this day)

In one of the many war cemeteries in Lang Son, a city in northern Vietnam, Pham Thi Ky and her family light incense and offer prayers for her brother-in-law, who died 36 years ago in Vietnam's brief but bloody border war with China.

That 1979 war left more than 50,000 dead. There are other graves here, too. They fought and died against the French occupiers, then the Americans. But relative to China, those were brief battles.

No country weighs on Vietnam like China, and it has been that way for centuries. Has the conflict with China ever really ended, I ask Pham Thi Ky as she lights another candle.

"No," she says. Her daughter agrees. Her sister is even more emphatic. "It will never end. With the Chinese, how can it ever end?"

Vietnam's 2,000-year history with its northern neighbor is complex. There have been countless conflicts as well as shared culture. The Temple of Literature in Hanoi is a good example. It was built by the Vietnamese King Ly Thánh Tông in 1070 to honor the Chinese philosopher Confucius. The teachings on the walls are written in Chinese characters. China is also Vietnam's largest trading partner.

The two countries share a communist ideology shaped in part by their shared history, an ideology largely abandoned by the rest of the world. That helps explain why the 1979 border war is something neither government likes to talk about. But Nguyen Duy Thuc, a veteran of that war, is happy to.

"On the morning of the attack, February 17th

, we were sleeping when the Chinese artillery started, then we all ran to our posts," he says. "Some were dressed, others didn't even have time to put their pants on, they just ran to their posts to fight."

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Vietnamese forces travel toward the country's northern border during a brief, bloody war with China in 1979.

At least 200,000 Chinese troops poured into northern Vietnam all along the border. China was aiming to punish Vietnam for its invasion of Cambodia the month before to oust the Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge. There were so many Chinese attacking, Nguyen Duy Thuc remembers, that the soldiers in his bunker "fired our AK-47s until the muzzles turned red and they couldn't fire anymore."

But the Chinese kept coming; eventually, his bunker was overrun. The Chinese, he says, pumped gas into the ventilation system. There were 800 people, including soldiers, women, and children, who fled the fighting in his bunker, Nguyen says.

Only he and two others managed to escape. After nearly a month, the Chinese withdrew, though border clashes continued for the next decade. And Nguyen Duy Thuc hasn't forgotten. If he catches his wife trying to watch a Chinese movie, he turns it off.

Memories of that war, and the many other bouts of invasion, occupation, and retaliation throughout history, color Vietnam's relationship with China.

That's especially true now, with the two countries at odds over what Vietnam views as Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea. When China parked an oil rig in contested waters last year, Vietnam upped its official anti-China rhetoric.

And anti-China rioting left at least a dozen dead, including four Taiwanese mistaken for Chinese. As tension grew, and Chinese and Vietnamese boats played a dangerous game of chicken near the rig, some in the border town of Lang Son grew worried. They feared a repeat of what happened in 1979.

"Last year, we were very frightened. We started stockpiling rice and food. I was very worried that there would be war," says Pham Thi Ky, the woman at the cemetery.

Back in 1979, she says she was forced to flee with nothing but the clothes on her back, so this time she wanted to be prepared. She even went to the bank to withdraw a large sum of money, just in case. But the bank wouldn't give it to her, apparently fearing a run.

Vietnam isn't the only one worried.

The Obama administration's "pivot toward Asia" is prompted, in part, by the idea of trying to contain China's expansionism, which has its Southeast Asian neighbors and Japan worried.

In the South China Sea, China continues to build on several disputed islands and reefs. In April, satellite photos revealed China was constructing a 2-mile-long, military-grade runway on Fiery Cross Reef, prompting howls of protest from the Philippines and Vietnam, both of which claim the island as their own.

"We think this can be solved diplomatically, but just because the Philippines or Vietnam are not as large as China doesn't mean that they can just be elbowed aside," President Obama said.

Duong Trung Quoc, a member of Vietnam's National Assembly and editor of the magazine Past & Present, says, "I think China is not only Vietnam's problem, but the world's problem right now."

Duong says he admires how China appears to be the only civilization in history to have forced its way back onto the world stage after an interregnum.

"It didn't happen with Greece or India," he says. "But China has a chance."

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Vietnamese in the northern province of Lang Son seek refuge after Chinese forces crossed the border and entered Vietnam in February 1979.

And that's a problem, he contends, because China still thinks the way it used to back when it was on top.

"China thinks it is at the center. The conquerer. It wants to turn everybody else into its subordinates," he says. Don't believe China, Duong says when it appears to be playing nice. It's a trap. The Vietnamese, he says, should know.

"After the war, the Vietnamese and the Americans could reconcile. Vietnam and France can reconcile. Veterans from both sides can sit down together and talk. Vietnamese and Chinese veterans hardly ever sit down together," he says.

Why is this?

"The Vietnamese have had too much experience with the Chinese. The Vietnamese can't trust the Chinese. We've had too m

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When China and Vietnam clash over territorial dispute:

Vietnamese think China is an evil monster

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Under normal circumstances, when there’s no dispute:

Overseas anti-communist Vietnamese: communist country and source of all evil. The reason for Vietnam becoming a communist country.

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Vietnamese netizens and keyboard warriors: expansionist power to always beware of. Southern China was Vietnamese land and Southern Chinese are descendants of Vietnamese.

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Older Vietnamese: China has an unlimited supply of all poisonous chemicals on Earth dedicated to destroy Vietnam.

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Vietnamese housewives: addicted to Chinese palace dramas.

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Young Vietnamese: Tik tok trends, travel destination and food .

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Young Vietnamese women: Land of homosexual romance

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Vietnamese business people: The Store room

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Vietnamese tourism industry: The Gold Mine

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Vietnamese economists and city planners: The case study

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Vietnamese traditionalists: Cradle of East Asian culture

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Vietnamese government: The headache

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