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If you are not willing to learn Vietnamese it will only be “magical” and “awesome” until the honeymoon phase wears off. Then you have limited options of what to base your life around other than / apart from work. You could live in an expat bubble, that is what I see most foreigners are doing, or build up your social circle slowly by befriending English, French, etc. speaking locals or find a Vietnamese girlfriend/boyfriend, etc. Or mix the former options according to your own personal taste. You will have a whole bunch of fine raw ingredients with most of the spices missing.

Learning Vietnamese will set you free to a certain level, it should be the most rewarding way to live here, however, I believe integration cannot be fully achieved, or as rare as an honest politician. The language can be learned to an acceptable level with a fair bit of input in around 3–5 years. Personally, I find it cacophonic. The hardest part might be that every single word is short and the language having way too many words spelled almost the same, the tonal system might even be easier to get comfortable with.

You will make friends and get promotions, offers and so on much easier if you are good-looking. Appearance matters a lot in VN. Being extroverted and charming as anywhere else will come in handy.

If you do not mind scams and corruption on every possible level (for instance you are coming from a similar background) then it should be an interesting and valuable experience living here. I eventually got tired of not being able to trust anyone other than a handful of people and lying being a socially accepted habit. Always having to speculate what someone’s true intertions are and having to play along with this theatrical make-believe. Bear in mind that I am nowhere near the elite, just an average bloke with a ‘below the average expat's salary’. If you can afford all the glitter and luxury places have to offer you will surely be treated better.

There had been a lot of wonderful memories, but the more insight I gained the more disappointed I got. It came to a point when there were way too many issues to just ignore and sweep under the rug.

People who are more submissive may get more out of living in Vietnam. Think of living here long term as your personal cult, if you believe that it is the best for you it might just turn into reality. If you can close your eyes on the ugly side then this may just be a paradise…

BTW Which coffee goes best with living in a tropical dystopia?

(just kidding)

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Life in Vietnam is that. Young people who are “educated”, speaking English, who can go to this forum and answer question, says thing like “life is great, some are bad but the development is going on peacefully, etc, etc etc”.

Meanwhile, you can only have little info from the people who are suffering:

1250 deaths by traffic accident each month. (15000 each year)

94000 deaths by cancer each year. The truth might be doubles, because the poors don’t have money for diagnos.

Millions young people (mostly women) are “exported” as working class (or other like brides, prostitutes) to Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Middle East, China. The government is earning well with this by selling permission etc,

All the way to top poluted country in the world (check keywords Formosa, Lee Man and Brother, Coal Plant for Electricity, ShengLi, etc)

Social activists and jouralists imprisoned the most

Hospitals are untrustable and expensive. People are all heading to crowd Hanoi and Saigon’s hospitals

School are bad, and costly too. School books are changing from year to year so that parents have to buy new school books for your children every year, (old books is not permitted). So, you can guess what black power is behind this policy.

And optimist the most: Vietnamese young people. They don’t care about the overall picture. Coruption brings big money to the city to build highrise building, commercial plaza, stylish restaurant. So young people enjoy their city life.

There is a better anwer thanks to Ethan T.Huynh in reply to mine, so I put it here.

About Mr Duc Thanh Nguyen, he and his friend are everywhere in this forum. I believe he is working for some kind of tourist company so unlike me, he is working finding his clients, not friend. Haha

Ethan T.Huynh

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Well done Linh, you see through the problems and put it logically. I have work with several partners here in Taiwan and it really hurts my heart that a lot of agency exploits people who come over to another country to have a “better” life. Little that they know they still paying for the Vietnamese who brought them over every month even tho the deal is done. They rather stay here illegally, but return to Vietnam. I find out that most of the people who do so were poor people from the countryside of Vietnam. A lot of documentary I have done for my organization discuss about the topic of “buying” Asian wife. It feel like nobody forces them to do so, but poverty - at the end, they just want to have a better life.You also remind me that government officer in Vietnam makes roughly around 300$ a month while the rest of their salary by “under table” to support their family and life style. One of my friend work as a nurse and her salary is 3.6m VND, impossible to live with that much of money. By reading your answer, I have faith in the Vietnamese younger generation who rise the awareness of the country current situation.

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For an expat, I think living in Hanoi is a little like living in Paris in the early 20th century. Even though it is a communist country, I feel like Henry Miller here-I am free. Life is affordable and intellectuals and artists and students gather at cafes over rich, dark coffee in the ruins of old French colonial villas. Photographers get together for street photography outings. The art scene is booming , with many contemporary art galleries flourishing, set in atmospheric colonial buildings and spotlighting Vietnamese artists who were oppressed for decades but now freely expressing themselves. Here you have the great luxury of time. Vietnam is on the rise and is an incredibly hard working country, yet life still is lived at a human pace . People take time out one another,

The architecture is hauntingly beautiful, and the layers of history in this 2,000 year old city would take a lifetime to explore. The streets are lined with stately old trees shading broad French boulevards. But walk away a few steps and you find yourself lost in winding alleyways that likely haven’t changed much for centuries.

Like all of former indochina , Vietnam offers much of the beauty of French life, although perhaps more that of Paris circa 1890 or 1920 than today’s France. And you can see a French aesthetic in everything from the tall yellow villas with their green shuttered windows and winding staircases to the patisseries on every corner, the French cheeses in neighborhood stores, the baguette lady selling bread on the street, and the hot roasted chestnuts cooked fresh over an open fire on the sidewalk on a wintry day. The food is delicious and healthy. I realized after moving here how much of a food desert the US is. People bring each other fresh fruits as gifts, and even the most humble dishes are loaded with vegetables, many of which I was unfamiliar with, greens gathered by the roadside or grown in a vacant lot. People shop at the market every day for fresh produce and you can easily eat a healthy delicious meal at a street side restaurant for $1.50. The coffee culture is a world unto itself, with separate cafes that only serve coffee, including the famous egg coffee.

Vietnam is very safe. There is almost no violent crime and surprisingly little petty crime . Guns are outlawed, and the biggest danger is motorbike accidents. And of course, Vietnam is one of the safest countries in the world in terms of COVID, with only 33 deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. Children play outside after dark and walk to school alone. There is still a Confucian culture of respect and mutual obligation and a strong Buddhist belief in karma. So you will find that most people act honorably and with kindness, and want to help others.

I have found that in Vietnam I have had opportunities I never would have had elsewhere. Within six months of living here I had two books on learning English published by the national publishing company, which are now in widespread use at universities throughout the country. I was asked to host my own television news show on state TV. As well as teaching at a university, I started working for a government minister starting schools in apartment complexes throughout the city, so children don’t have to travel to school. I began assisting the vice minister of golf with plans to promote tourism in resorts centered around world class golf courses.. I have met fascinating authors and artists and musicians. Vietnam is a place that is rising, and it is easy to find many financial opportunities and the chance to try new things, whether it is a business business venture, a life drawing class or traditional Vietnamese martial arts

There are downsides of course. The first month I moved here I was absolutely overwhelmed, anxious and depressed.The pollution, the noise and chaos of millions of motorbikes seemed too much for me, and many foreigners leave because of the stress and find the culture too different to adjust to easily. But I soon found that despite Hanoi being a city of 8 million, life is actually gracious and gentle here, and the people are truly welcoming and care about others.

In terms of dealing with the more anxiety-producing aspects of Hanoi, I have done something I don’t usually do in a new country, which is remove myself to a more westernized environment. I lived in a very local area the first few months and it was too hard for me. But moving into a luxury high rise apartment complex provided a buffer. Although no westerners live in my building, it is populated with wealthy, well-traveled Vietnamese as well as Korean and Japanese expats who are less likely to want to touch my hair or comment on how fat and white and tall I am. I have a little more privacy, which is very hard to come by in this country, and an enormous outdoor swimming pool and a gorgeous indoor pool and spa. A Japanese bakery and Korean restaurant in the building, as well as a Vinmart and a Vietnamese restaurant. Manicured grounds free from motorbike traffic allow me to walk in peace and safety, without always dodging the appalling traffic. A live-in maid here only costs about $300 a month and having a driver, saves me from the excitement and danger of driving a motorbike in traffic except on rare occasions. Normally, I would want to live in the most local area possible and get to know the life of the average person. But in this instance, I found that having a quiet place to retreat with a few luxuries has made all the hard adjustments of living in such a very foreign place possible. I suppose it depends on your temperament.

Hanoi has about the same population as New York-8 million -and getting out of town every now and then helps too. The city is only about an hour from beautiful mountains with rivers winding through Ninh Binh province to the west and the breathtaking karst islands of Halong Bay heading East towards the Pacific. Hanoi does have four seasons, though the winter is mild and brief. But if you prefer hot weather all year round, Ho Chi Minh City may be better. And if you enjoy a smaller city or rural area , there are many breathtaking mountainous provinces where traditional hill tribes reside, and beaches and islands that can rival anywhere in Southeast Asia.

I think Vietnam is a good place to live as an expat regardless of your tastes, although I cannot speak to what it is like to live here as a Vietnamese. If you want to start a business and invest, work as an English teacher, explore ancient cultures, wildlife, contemporary art, or just lie on the beach, you can be happy here.

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Hanoi Villa

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At the old French Metropole Hotel

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west lake, Hanoi

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sunset from my living room, Hanoi

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Halong Bay

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I am not sure what you mean by “worst”. Is it the worst in life quality or national security or whatever category? I can guarantee if you are living in Vietnam, you must admit it is a peaceful country to reside. Thus, the economic enviroment in Vietnam creates a lot of opportunities for micro businesses. Things are much harder for us in developed countries since it is required some sort of strict certificates and the competition is pretty intense as well. Suicide rate in Vietnam is utterly low in the region, which is a good thing.

Eventually, it is all in your mind. I rather think it over again and try to be more positive. Please stop your bias about this country because someone out there from another heavenly country may suffer the same shit as you are doing now or even worse.

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And well… This is Syria. I can’t imagine which country can be worse at the moment.

To live is already a blessing. Please make it count cuz I’m not so sure you have a second chance.

Peace out and good luck.

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Living in Vietnam for me was a roller coaster ride. I lived as a tourist, an expats, and eventually finding myself living as a Vietnamese.

1st Year

During my first year in Saigon, it was refreshing, adventure, and curious. It always feels good to live in another country and experience things different from home.

I was always exploring new restaurants, new pubs, new things to do, meeting new friends, getting to know the streets.

But it was a small circle. I couldn’t venture beyond the city center ...

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If you’re a foreigner and you’re rich, it’s a good country. But if you’re native Vietnamese citizen and you’re poor, you should immigrate to another country if you have a chance. Average Americans can buy an iPhone, eat, and live pretty comfortably, but it’s totally different with average Vietnamese people.

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I have been living in many countries in the World and also in Asia, Vietnam is a fine country in general. The cost of living is cheap and it is a good country to retire in, I would never go back to Europe again. Like in most countries there are also things that are not nice, the most hated thing in Vietnam must be the extreme loud and very bad music. Vietnamese is not a nice language to listen to people are shouting and it hurt in your ears. Start to sing in the language and you have a horror situation, if they did it on a normal sound level and with some good speakers it would be OK. But it is not on a normal level sound of way over 100 decibel in a very small room in the norm. The government is doing nothing to stop this very unhealthy situation and they let children get deaf at a very young age. This lead to neighbors fight where also people get killed, it will take one or two more generation before civilization is at a little bit normal level.
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Are you talking about karaoke sound at home? Actually, this problem is not common, it only happens to unaware neighbors. All of this cannot be considered normal in Vietnam. You can absolutely ask someone to tell those people, or even ask the ward police where you live. They will take measures to handle this.
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Ha ha ha you are not living in Vietnam, this answer is totally out of touch with reality. It has become a bigger and bigger problem after more and more people buy their own speakers, It is not only  sometimes an hour or so but can last from the afternoon until 22.00 in the evening when people have to stop (they don't do this many times). And then I'm not even talking about parties to remember the dead or at weddings where they are hiring a truck with speakers that would even make too much  noise for a rock concert with up to 120 decibel. on a small space.  I'm not the only one complaining about this, even most of my Vietnamese friends complain about it. We even have to stop giving lessons and cansel klasse sometime because the sound in our house is far too loud.

The government is even doing it themself with very loud public speakers at 05.00 am, giving  others the excuse to start their loud music  at this very early time. And don't say that is not common in Vietnam.  In a time where even the most poor people have a phone, Vietnam still using very loud public speakers to "inform" the people like they did in the 50's

There is a law in Vietnam that says that noise should not be over 55 decibels in residential areas, And the police can do something about it but they never do. There is no reaction from police when the problem is there. Sometime (after an official complaint at the office)   they will have a talk with the people. But they never stop the problem in the act.

You write "it only happens to unaware neighbors" that is the biggest joke I have heard for a long time.
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Oh, I'm living in the North. I guess you are living in the center of HCMC, right?
In fact, the central streets have a large number of tourists or many shops and karaoke bars, so it is difficult for them not to turn on music. If you are surrounded by ordinary households, playing music too loudly for a long time is unacceptable. Try petitioning the neighborhood group leader. Otherwise, I think you should try moving to an apartment, for example Central Park, Grand Park District 9...
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No I don't live in Saigon, I'm in Lap Vo. The people here are not so smart and have very little respect for other people.  Karaoke  should only be done inside an isolation room and not outdoors. I have been measuring the sound level for the last couple of years in a circle of 5KM from my house, every night the levels are way beyond what the World Health Organisation is regarded as safe.  Vietnam is off the chart when you look at what is safe with a general level of noise above  95 decibel. (1 – 5dB), normal hearing (5 – 10dB), comfort (40-60dB), extreme discomfort (60–90dB) and intolerance (90dB and above).    The government is telling you lies about what they do about the problem, they really don't care that a whole generation will have hearing problems in life. I have been doing research  in this field for many years and there is no other country in the world with the same level of problems has Vietnam. I get extremely angry when I see people like you writing this kind of stupid thing. 
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You are living in Dong Thap?, it is not a very economically developed province. I just try to help you. I'm not wring stupid. Anway, I also share your unluckiness in having ignorant neighbors. Anyway. Where I live is definitely not like you, it's very quiet and the neighbors are friendly.
But you must be friendly first!
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This site ask: How is the living in Vietnam? I told what it was like. I did not ask for a  answer :-) I can tell you that we are very friendly people doing a lot of charity, we even have a special organization to help children in need  with money we collect in Europe. I have no idea why you make all kind off assumptions about me,  where I live, if I'm friendly or not or if I speak the true or not. I like Vietnam and have been doing so for the last 50 years, when I tell you that the number of decibels is the worst in the World and you say that is not true then I say you have no idea what you talking about. I don't mind you like to make a nice picture of your country but don't close your eyes for the things that are terrible wrong. I write for a couple of national media in Europe and we use to to research things before we say something.  I still like this country but they have to address the problems and not look away for it. By the way Dong Tap is the agro center of Vietnam and not a underdeveloped part of the country. The south in general is the economic center of Vietnam with more than 60% of the Countries income from Agro  (mekong Delta) this makes  Vietnam one of the biggest players in the World. The North is playing a minor roll in this it is only the political center with very little contribution to the  Bruto national income.  I have been a advisor in this field for many year for the subsidy given by the European Union. at the moment I do research  on the subject of things like noise pollution. That is why I get upset when I see things like what you write, but even I don't agree with you at all I would like to interview you for the media in Europe. So please send me your email so i can get in contact with you. Kind regards Boss.
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