Do you think Vietnam is a little China culturally?

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Do you think Vietnam is a little China culturally?
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Question: Do you think Vietnam is a little China culturally?

Answer: From the Vietnamese views, there are many Vietnamese will think that you are insulting them if you said Vietnam is a little China culturally.

Vietnam and China shared a lot of cultural similarities due to the common borders and also thousand of years of Vietnam being colonized brutally by China. There are more than once that the Chinese Empire had tried to erase all of the Vietnamese histories, culture, and identity, also imposed the Chinese language, costumes, customs, into Vietnam but the Vietnamese resisted strongly and resiliently. For example: During the fourth Chinese Ming occupation of Vietnam 1407–1428, the Chinese rulers had tried to destroy all of the Vietnamese cultures .

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(Khai Dinh king's tomb, Hue - Royal Capital of Vietnam)

An entry in the Ming Shilu ( traditional Chinese : 明實錄; simplified Chinese : 明实录) dated 15 August 1406 recorded an imperial order from Emperor Yongle that instructed for Vietnamese records such as maps and registers to be saved and preserved by the Chinese army:

己未敕征討安南總兵官成國公朱能等曰師入安南下郡邑凡得文籍圖志皆勿毀。 [24]

In addition, according to Yueqiaoshu (Chinese: 越嶠書, Vietnamese: Việt kiệu thư), on August 21, 1406, the Yongle Emperor issued an order to Ming soldiers in Annam:

兵入。除釋道經板經文不燬。外一切書板文字以至俚俗童蒙所習。如上大人丘乙已之類。片紙隻字悉皆燬之。其境內中國 所立碑刻則存之。但是安南所立者悉壞之。一字不存。 [25] "Once our army enters Annam, except Buddhist and Taoist text; all books and notes, including folklore and children book, should be burnt. The stelae erected by China should be protected carefully, while those erected by Annam, should be completely annihilated. Do not spare even one character."

On the 21st day of the 5th lunar month of the following year, Emperor Yongle issued another order to Ming soldiers in Annam:

屢嘗諭爾凡安南所有一切書板文字。以至俚俗童蒙所習。如上大人丘乙已之類。片紙隻字及彼處自立碑刻。見者即便毀壞勿存 。今聞軍中所得文字不即令軍人焚毀。必檢視然後焚之。且軍人多不識字。若一一令其如此。必致傳遞遺失者多。爾今宜一如前敕。號令軍中但遇彼處所有一應文字即便焚毀。毋得存留。 [25] "I have repeatedly told you all to burnt all Annamese books, including folklore and children books and the local stelae should be destroyed immediately upon sight. Recently I heard our soldiers hesitated and read those books before burning them. Most soldiers do not know how to read, so it will be a waste of our time. Now you have to strictly obey my previous command, and burn all local books upon sight without hesitation.

The Chinese colonists encouraging the Ming Confucian ideology, bureaucratic and Classical Chinese study to the local Vietnamese people, forced the Vietnamese to wear Chinese-style clothes . [26] [8] The Ming forbid the local customs such as tattooing , unmarried boys and girls to cut short hair, and banned women to wear short skirts, in "order to change customs in conformity with the north." [27] [28] Cultural incorporation was pursued with the new Jiaozhi administration advising to the Ming court:

The Yi people of Annam venerate the law of the Buddha but do not know to worship or sacrifice the spirits. We should establish altars for sacrifice to the spirits of the wind, clouds, thunder, and rain... so that the people become familiar with the way to express gratitude to the spirits through sacrifice. [29]

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(Vietnamese royal palace)

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(the Bejing Royal Palace of China built by the Vietnamese architect- Nguyen An)

However, each time, the Vietnamese have tried not only to restore their own culture and identity but also to learn new things from their Chinese cultures which have consolidated the Vietnamese identity different much from the Chinese identity.

For instance: The Vietnamese language belongs to the Austro-Asiatic language but the Chinese language is one of the members of the Sino-Tibetan language family even though the Chinese empires had tried to impose their language into Vietnam and the Vietnamese language has many loanwords from China Especially after the Vietnamese have adopted and learned the western civilization, the Vietnamese culture is more and more different from the Chinese culture.

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Another example: During the Chinese Qing Empire, all of the Chinese men had used the Manchu hairstyle as their national identity but Vietnam did not.

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(Manchu Queue)

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(The custom of foot-binding in China but it did not happen in Vietnam)

Vietnam has its habit to defeat superpowers from the Mongolian, Various Chinese Empires, Manchurian Qing Empire, French Empire, American Empire, the Chinese CCP Empire but China often failed to resist outside powers from Mongolia, Manchuria, Japan.

In conclusion : The Vietnamese identity is not a little Chinese identity culturally and there are many differences between Vietnam and China. Therefore, I would not say that Vietnam is a little China culturally.

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Vietnam is different from China in many ways,including languages,largest ethnic group, traditional clothing and even food style. Yes, similar political structure borrowed from USSR, and yes thousands of loanwords from Chinese, but no reason to be called little China.

Additionally, Vietnam became a French colony in 1877, that make it more different from China.

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Momentarily, when the Qing dynasty was still in the process of trying to capture all of China, the Vietnamese did feel a bit like the surviving little China.

But soon after the conquest was over and the Manchus began to adopt Chinese customs, the Vietnamese went back being Vietnamese, an identity that again faced encroachment from the North.

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Let me tell about some of China culture in Vietnam

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Food: Vietnamese cuisine has a part of Chinese cuisine. But it is only a small part. The biggest difference is that Chinese cuisine often uses soy sauce while Vietnamese uses fish sauce.

Buddhism: Buddhism has been introduced taught by monks in Vietnam from two roads. One from the India to Chinese, Japanese,… then Vietnam, the other is from India to Sri Lanka, Burmese, Cambodia,…then Vietnam. Bodhidharma, who lived during the 5th or 6th Century in India and introduced Siddhartha Gautama's thought into China. He is Zen master and regarded as its first Chinese patriarch. Many pagodas in Vietnam worship him as a Zen master.

Confucian thought…

We do not mention why there is an influence of Chinese culture in Vietnam because there are so many answers for this in VietnamAnswer

We just emphasize that, not only China but also others (Japanese, American, French, Khmer,…). That make a unique culture of Vietnam

American use English, Japanese use Kanji, Korean people have Mid-Autumn Festival,…China is a big country with a large population with long history development. Vietnam is nearby China, so the cultural influence is normal. If someone says Vietnamese culture does not have a small part of China, that is not normal, not true, lying.

CHINESE food in Vietnam

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Vietnam does have a bit of Chinese culture weaves into theirs. In fact, some pho dad or temples are made by the Chinese community dating back hundreds of years. Some Vietnamese do know how to speak Chinese and sometimes you won’t be able to tell the difference as they also physically look similar. It’s not exactly a “little China” but you will see similar traits, and practices.

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First, " Little China" was not invented by the Chinese, but Koreans, Japanese, and Vietnamese. The Little China was a product of a specific historical period.

Ancient China has an advanced culture, which has gradually become the international standard in East Asia. Most countries have absorbed Chinese language and Chinese culture, forming a common Confucian civilization circle. it has never been a civilization unique to China. The Japanese, Vietnamese, and Koreans have all made a lot of contributions to Chinese civilization.

But in the 13th century, the Mongols ruled China and established the Yuan Dynasty. This caused the image of ancient China Orthodox to collapse. The Japanese and Vietnamese who defeated the Mongols gained greater national pride. them believed that Chinese culture had been destroyed by the Mongols. They protected the traditions of Chinese culture and since then called themselves Little China. Today's Taiwan also believes that the CCP has destroyed traditional Chinese culture, and they have retained the traditional culture.

The Vietnamese used the idea of " ​​Little China" to establish their own tributary system in Southeast Asia and annexed Champa. The Japanese used the idea of "Little China" to explain their invasion of the Qing Dynasty. Today's Taiwanese are also pursuing the independence movement using the Little China ideology.

the Chinese culture is not so fragile, and neither the Mongols nor the CCP can destroy it, because China is too large, has too many populations, and has too long a history.

Some people support the idea of "Little China", believing that it can increase national pride. Some people oppose the idea of "Little China", believing that it undermines national pride. This complex idea also reflects the ambivalence of Chinese neighbors. They want to get rid of Chinese influence, but they cannot give up Chinese culture.

But these are thoughts left over from history, and they are no longer suitable for modern society.Because Western nationalism has spread to East Asia, people think it is more important to have an independent culture, and the idea of "Little China" has become a negative word. Vietnam and South Korea have completed their de-sinicization, Japan has also absorbed a lot of Western culture, and Taiwan is de-sinicizing.The Chinese have also accepted the influence of nationalism and are also pursuing the uniqueness of Chinese culture.

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No. They are a confucian culture, but not a Han culture. The history of Vietnem varies at many levels from China’s experience. Confucianism is 2500 years old and affected the ancient Yue kingdom that was conquered by the Han aggressors except for Vietnam. So despite China’s continuous attempt to conquer and occupy Vietnam they remain unique to themselves just as other Confucian cultures like Korea and Japan.

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It is possible that ultranationalists in both countries will deny this.

In reality,however,the culture of Vietnam is very similar to that of China,especially South China.

A few simple examples: 1. Diet. Our staple food is rice and rice products,and in which a large number of vegetables.

2. Festivals. Spring Festival,Dragon Boat Festival,mid-autumn Festival... whether Chinese or Vietnamese people will celebrate. And we also worship the spirits of our ancestors and pay tribute to them on tomb sweeping day.

Other people have answered this question in great detail,and I don't need to tell you too much. But no matter how much extreme nationalists may deny it,the truth is that our cultures are similar.

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Politically it seems that way as it is said that Vietnam copies almost the whole Chinese political system, especially Chinese economic policies.

Once I watched a Vietnamese TV channel, which I guess it must be like China’s CCTV, except the different language, the news program was totally Chinese style, National leader activities, local government leaders visiting ordinary people’s home, conversing with people who have difficulties, etc. And the clothing and appearance of those officials looked same to those of Chinese officials. Very impressive.

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If one has a narrow vision to superficially look at only those popular/famous ancient architectures, as well as the classic style of calligraphy, but nothing apart from those two, then Yes, it is easy to find Hanoi and Hue to be representing “China”, but not for the rest of the entire Vietnam, and once again, even for Hanoi and Hue, you have to narrow your own vision to an extent of those impressions, very superficially, and you have to only count in these two ancient capitals to be “Vietnam”, so that you can have a Vietnam which’s “little China”.

In terms of the people’s mindset , you could ask a straightforward question to yourself, how much of Confucianism and Chinese civil standards are there in the Vietnamese mindset? My observation is? It has the least in that area of Asia, even the Thai society got a better idea and follow those heavy norms of sinosphere than, let’s say the Korean society is still doing. Perhaps it is also under the influences of a general impression of Thai architectural styles, it is not that as obvious for people to count in Thailand as a member of “sinosphere”, or another “little China”.

And then about “the Chinese civilization” itself, which’s the foundation of “sinosphere”, its disposition is not as clear as it seems to be, on a different question, I share my view about this concern. The question is, what is it to be qualified as “Chinese civilization”, and thus a society can be qualified as “China”(in the sense of 中華, whether it is a big one or a little one) :

Vietnam is not that, although there were feudal intellectuals in the past who also looked up to 中華 ideology, to advocated the Confucianist norms, and impacted the feudal governments, but to the Vietnam as a nation itself till these days, it is a culturally pluralistic model, it fail to fit a sole type of cultural sphere, as a result, there are also various “impressions” about Vietnam, I.e. what comes to your mind when you heard of the word “Vietnam”?

When growing up, back then my first impression of Vietnam is :

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And then later I learned that Vietnam used to be a French colony, other visions came to my mind, then my impression of Vietnam is the following :

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And after I learned the superficial vision of these Sinospheric supporters, then I could also wear their shoes and apply the following “impression” to Vietnam as well:

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